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we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we're still going to have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth and how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into effect. keep in mind that some of these spending cuts that congress has said will automatically go into effect have an impact on our defense department, but they also have an impact on things like head start and so there are some programs that are scheduled to be cut that we're using an ax instead ax instead of a scalpel. may not always be the smartest cuts and so that is a piece of business that still has to be taken care of. and i want to make clear that any agreement we have to deal with these automatic spending cuts that are b
we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we're still going to have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth and how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are...
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don't forget who asked and demanded for deficit reduction. when i talked to a capitol hill staffer, here's what he said. he said -- this is very important -- "if it's a status quo election some kind of deal that staifz off sec quest rags. >> the republicans. >> i have to say it, it is the republicans that the point that are arguing against deficit reduction. they want to cancel the see quester, which is military spending cut. >> only on their terms. >> they would like spending cuts, but they would like -- they won't be ebbing mrift about exactly how do do it. >> i want to give luke the last word on this. >> is there a chance? just your kind of read on the final word on this, do we end today with some kind of a deal, or do they punt this and try to do it before january 3rd or not at all, just go over the cliff? >> i think that there's a possibility you could see a deal come out of the senate today, although i think if any deal comes out of the senate, the house will most likely vote on it tomorrow. i don't see a late night new year's eve vote
don't forget who asked and demanded for deficit reduction. when i talked to a capitol hill staffer, here's what he said. he said -- this is very important -- "if it's a status quo election some kind of deal that staifz off sec quest rags. >> the republicans. >> i have to say it, it is the republicans that the point that are arguing against deficit reduction. they want to cancel the see quester, which is military spending cut. >> only on their terms. >> they would...
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we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we still have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term projectry of growth, how we put money into education, infrastructure that help our economy grow. and keep in mind that threat of tax hikes going up is only pun part of the so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. >> what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into effect. and keep in mind that some of the spending cuts that congress has said will automatically go into effect, have an impact on our defense department, but also impact things like head start. so there are programs scheduled to be cut that we're using an axe instead of a scalpel. may not always be the smartest cuts. so that is a piece of business that still has to be taken care of. i want it make clear that dealing with the automatic spending cuts threatened for next month, they also have to be balanced. remember my principle is, let's do things in a balanced responsible way and re
we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we still have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term projectry of growth, how we put money into education, infrastructure that help our economy grow. and keep in mind that threat of tax hikes going up is only pun part of the so-called fiscal cliff that everybody has been talking about. >> what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into effect. and keep in mind that some...
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this started out as a discussion about cutting the debt, cutting the deficit and now what's going to happen is th smallest plans on the table are going to-- are not really going to cut the deficit in the long run and don't have major spending cuts and i noticed at one point when he was asked about the sequester, not just the tax side, but the automatic spending cuts about to kick in. he said if we raise revenue by the wealthy paying more, that would be sufficient to turn off this request or what's called the automatic spending cuts and that's what republicans have been suggesting if he raises more revenue raising taxes on the rich, he's not going to put it towards the deficit, but the president kind of suggested that today. >> and a question from the beginning and it's your segment, go ahead. >> i've been on the show for ten seconds, by first time on the "the five", you've interrupted me and contradicted me. >> there will be plenty more time for that, and welcome to "the five", and bob beckel. >> can i ask my question of ed. because ed, you mentioned that i had experience in dealing
this started out as a discussion about cutting the debt, cutting the deficit and now what's going to happen is th smallest plans on the table are going to-- are not really going to cut the deficit in the long run and don't have major spending cuts and i noticed at one point when he was asked about the sequester, not just the tax side, but the automatic spending cuts about to kick in. he said if we raise revenue by the wealthy paying more, that would be sufficient to turn off this request or...
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part of that is deficit reduction. part of it is also making sure that we're investing for example in rebuilding our infrastructure. which is broken. and if we are putting people back to work rebuilding our roads, our bridges, our schools -- in part paying for it by some of these broader long-term deficit reduction measures that need to take place, that will grow the economy at the same time as we're also setting our path for long-term fiscal stability. number three, we've got a huge opportunity around energy. we are producing more energy and america can become an energy exporter. how do we do that in a way that also deals with some of the environmental challenges that we have at the same time. so that's going to be a third thing. but the most immediate thing i've got to do, starting on january 1st, if congress doesn't act before the end of the year, is make sure that taxes are not going up on middle class families. and because it is going to be very hard for the economy to sustain its current growth trends if suddenly
part of that is deficit reduction. part of it is also making sure that we're investing for example in rebuilding our infrastructure. which is broken. and if we are putting people back to work rebuilding our roads, our bridges, our schools -- in part paying for it by some of these broader long-term deficit reduction measures that need to take place, that will grow the economy at the same time as we're also setting our path for long-term fiscal stability. number three, we've got a huge...
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the same is true for any future deficit agreement. obviously we're going to have to do more to reduce our debt and deficit. i'm willing to do more. it is going to have to be balanced. it has to be a balanced and responsible way. i'm willing to reduce our government's medicare bills by finding new ways to reduce the cost of health care in this country. that is something that we all should agree on. we want to make sure that medicare is there for future for generations. the cost of health care is going up so high that we have to find ways to make sure that is sustainable. that kind of reform has to go hand-in-hand with doing some more work to reform our tax code so that wealthy individuals the biggest corporations cannot take advantage of loopholes and reductions that i not available to most of the folks standing up here. are not available to most americans. there's still more work to be done to make it fair even as we also look at how we can strengthen something like medicare. if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit
the same is true for any future deficit agreement. obviously we're going to have to do more to reduce our debt and deficit. i'm willing to do more. it is going to have to be balanced. it has to be a balanced and responsible way. i'm willing to reduce our government's medicare bills by finding new ways to reduce the cost of health care in this country. that is something that we all should agree on. we want to make sure that medicare is there for future for generations. the cost of health care is...
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, it is 6 or 7% and i don't believe all of it will go on the deficit. when we raised the debt ceiling in august of 2011, we borrowed $2.1 billion. we spent that much money, in 17 months. why would i raise the debt ceiling again, unless we address what put us in debt to begin with? i'm not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we get serious about keeping the country from becoming greece, and social security and medicare, here's what i would like, meaningful entitlement reform, not to turn social security into private accounts, not to take a voucher approach to medicare. but, adjust the age for social security, cpi changes and means testing and look beyond the ten-year window. i cannot in good conscience raise the debt ceiling without addressing the long term debt problems of this country and i will not. >> chris: and, senator feinstein, you heard president obama say we have to get out of the habit and will not start trading debt ceiling increases for spending cuts. >> i think the key to what he is saying is that you don't affect people at this time. wh
, it is 6 or 7% and i don't believe all of it will go on the deficit. when we raised the debt ceiling in august of 2011, we borrowed $2.1 billion. we spent that much money, in 17 months. why would i raise the debt ceiling again, unless we address what put us in debt to begin with? i'm not going to raise the debt ceiling unless we get serious about keeping the country from becoming greece, and social security and medicare, here's what i would like, meaningful entitlement reform, not to turn...
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debt or the deficit, and they're unwilling to do anything. dan is completely wrong. speaker boehner is not prepared to make a deal. you know, he's not the host of "let's make a deal." he's completely incapable of making a deal. and look, i think we're headed over the fiscal cliff because, again, i don't think the republican party is serious about playing an important role in governing this country. >> now, i don't necessarily disagree with you, but let me push back a little bit, and then i'll let dan jump in. >> sure. >> look, the argument i'm hearing -- and i don't know what cuts the president is offering to the republicans -- but why doesn't he offer more? why doesn't he give them -- i mean, anything more that he offers would be better than going over the fiscal cliff. why can't we get to something? why can't he give enough significant cuts that would make some of these republicans in districts that will really have problems when they go back to win re-election, if they raise taxes, give them some sort of incentive. give them some serious c
debt or the deficit, and they're unwilling to do anything. dan is completely wrong. speaker boehner is not prepared to make a deal. you know, he's not the host of "let's make a deal." he's completely incapable of making a deal. and look, i think we're headed over the fiscal cliff because, again, i don't think the republican party is serious about playing an important role in governing this country. >> now, i don't necessarily disagree with you, but let me push back a little bit,...
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he never ran on cutting the deficit. he talks about it, but it's never been a central part of his plan. stuart: okay. okay. but in a leadership position, faced with a real crisis and this is a crisis, for heaven's sake, wouldn't you expect some degree of compromise from the president, which he has not done? >> i think he has compromised. stuart: where is the cuts in spending? where is the reform in entitlement systems? they are not there. >> if you want to talk about leadership, i would ask you why have the republicans not put forth really specific cuts? john boehner gave sort of a number, but was not specific about it. marco rubio just tweeted today or yesterday that the social security cuts were off the table. the g.o.p. didn't want them and the president supported them. i really don't think i'm being partisan on this point. i think the republicans are the ones that are lacking the leadership. stuart: kirsten, what you are doing is you are shifting attention. i think we should be focused on the president. granted, publ
he never ran on cutting the deficit. he talks about it, but it's never been a central part of his plan. stuart: okay. okay. but in a leadership position, faced with a real crisis and this is a crisis, for heaven's sake, wouldn't you expect some degree of compromise from the president, which he has not done? >> i think he has compromised. stuart: where is the cuts in spending? where is the reform in entitlement systems? they are not there. >> if you want to talk about leadership, i...
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part of that is deficit reduction. part of it is also making sure that we're investing for example in rebuilding our infrastructure. which is broken. and if we are putting people back to work rebuilding our roads, our bridges, our schools -- in part paying for it by some of these broader long-term deficit reduction measures that need to take place, that will grow the economy at the same time as we're also setting our path for long-term fiscal stability. number three, we've got a huge opportunity around energy. we are producing more energy and america can become an energy exporter. how do we do that in a way that also deals with some of the environmental challenges that we have at the same time? so that's going to be a third thing. but the most immediate thing i've got to do, starting on january 1st, if congress doesn't act before the end of the year, is make sure that taxes are not going up on middle class families. and because it is going to be very hard for the economy to sustain its current growth trends if suddenly
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this would increase the debt and deficit. republicans have one choice in the house. i don't know if boehner is able to do it. we'll go over the cliff of midnight tonight. the rates will be at the high rate. the bush tax cut will be over. if boehner is smart and the republicans including the conservatives in the caucus are smart, they would accept that, because there is no way it will be stopped. on thursday, the new republican house, should pass a bill, stand-alone bill that abolishes -- well, say that in reenacts the bush cuts for everybody up to $450,000. do it as a straight tax reduction. those who resisted it a week ago tax hike on the rich can argue it's not a hike, the hike already happened. but that is the only way to pre-empt obama extending all of this and making the republicans, fall guys for a hike in middle class taxes. >> bret: we're assuming it is past the senate. you have senators who have all expressed major concerns. >> you just know three most liberal senators, it's absurd, it should be million. >> you know anybody can stand up in the senate to caus
this would increase the debt and deficit. republicans have one choice in the house. i don't know if boehner is able to do it. we'll go over the cliff of midnight tonight. the rates will be at the high rate. the bush tax cut will be over. if boehner is smart and the republicans including the conservatives in the caucus are smart, they would accept that, because there is no way it will be stopped. on thursday, the new republican house, should pass a bill, stand-alone bill that abolishes -- well,...
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part of that is deficit reduction. part of it is also making sure that we're investing, for example, in rebuilding our infrastructure, which is broken. and, you know, if we are putting people back to work, rebuilding roads, bridges, schools, in part paying for it by some of these broader, long-term deficit reduction measures that need to take place, that will grow the economy at the same time as we're also setting our path for long-term fiscal stability. number three, you know, we've got a huge opportunity around energy. we are producing more energy, and america can become an energy exporter. how do we do that in a way that also deals with the environmental challenges we have at the same time? so that's going to be a third thing. but the most immediate thing i've got to do, starting on january 1, if congress doesn't act before the end of the year, is to make sure that taxes are not going up on middle class families. because it is going to be very hard for the economy to sustain its current growth trends if suddenly we
part of that is deficit reduction. part of it is also making sure that we're investing, for example, in rebuilding our infrastructure, which is broken. and, you know, if we are putting people back to work, rebuilding roads, bridges, schools, in part paying for it by some of these broader, long-term deficit reduction measures that need to take place, that will grow the economy at the same time as we're also setting our path for long-term fiscal stability. number three, you know, we've got a huge...
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part of that is deficit reduction. part of it is also making sure that we're investing, for example, in rebuilding our infrastructure, which is broken. and, you know, if we are putting people back to work rebuilding our roads, our bridges, our schools, in part, paying for it by some of these broader, long-term deficit reduction measures that need to take place, that will grow our economy at a time while setting our path for long-term fiscal stability. number three, we have a long-term opportunity around energy. america can become an energy exporter. how do we do that in a way that deals with some of the environmental challenges that we have at the same time? that's going to be a third thing. but the most immediate thing i've got to do, starting on january 1st, if congress doesn't act before the end of the year is make sure that taxes are not going up on middle class families. because it is going to be very hard for the economy to sustain its growth trends if suddenly we have a huge fight taken out of the average americ
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won't do anything for the deficit at all. if you raise taxes on anybody at this moment, and we are going to, the economy will suffer. rick: i'm hearing from our colleague chad pergrum who covers capitol hill from us not to expect to hear from the speaker of the house john boehner after we hear from the president at 1:30pm. speaker boehner tried to put plan b of his own on the table and ended up not having the republican support for it, so he pulled back. as business watches these negotiations take place, and we heard from senator thune in mike emanuel's report a minute ago what is the reaction of the business community at this function that is on display in our nation's capitol. >> despair, anger frustration. if you go forward into 2013 not addressing spending, in fact the president wants to raise spending on struc infrastructure you go forward into next year doing that with tax increases on upper income people and some small business owners you will slow the economy down. business does not want a slower economy, it wants a m
won't do anything for the deficit at all. if you raise taxes on anybody at this moment, and we are going to, the economy will suffer. rick: i'm hearing from our colleague chad pergrum who covers capitol hill from us not to expect to hear from the speaker of the house john boehner after we hear from the president at 1:30pm. speaker boehner tried to put plan b of his own on the table and ended up not having the republican support for it, so he pulled back. as business watches these negotiations...
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that's a drop in the bucket to our deficit problems. so the real issue is spending and we got to deal with it. >> my guess is you're hearing the same thing that i hear from people. whether they're friends or family or they're people that i just -- that see me in starbucks. that is, why can't they get this done? i can't tell you the number of people who have said to me if i had a deadline at work and i just ignored it, i'd lose my job. this was yesterday on the senate floor. >> something has gone terribly wrong when the biggest threat to our american economy is our american congress. >> how did we get to this, congressman? he right? >> yes, he is. really it's the inability of congress to control spending. that is why we're in this pickle right now. we're spending $1.2 trillion more than we're taking in every year. and so he is completely right. i think people are right to see congress as dysfunctional. that's why we've got to deal with this today or tomorrow or the next day in a way that fixes this long term, not just gets us out of the
that's a drop in the bucket to our deficit problems. so the real issue is spending and we got to deal with it. >> my guess is you're hearing the same thing that i hear from people. whether they're friends or family or they're people that i just -- that see me in starbucks. that is, why can't they get this done? i can't tell you the number of people who have said to me if i had a deadline at work and i just ignored it, i'd lose my job. this was yesterday on the senate floor. >>...
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we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of congressional failure around this issue. >> well, let's talk about what exactly is likely to happen or is the threat of what will happen. talk about the pentagon. talk about federal workers. talk about obviously the unemploy unemployed whose benefits are going away. >> absolutely. the biggest -- the most dangerous thing, the fiscal cliff is the unemployment insurance. if we go over for a month we can sort of trick everything else. we can -- the irs can do some tricks to make it so you don't feel tax increases quickly. we can do tricks to make it so we don't lay off people at pentagon, we can furlough them. there's no trick with unemployment insurance. if we go over the cliff and don't do anything by unemployment insurance, 2 million people, hardest hit by the recession, will lose their unemployment insurance. that's number one. we're going to have the payroll tax cut expire, that's probably going to happen if we do rea
we'll be increasing the deficit. it is just, i think, hard to step back and take in the totality of congressional failure around this issue. >> well, let's talk about what exactly is likely to happen or is the threat of what will happen. talk about the pentagon. talk about federal workers. talk about obviously the unemploy unemployed whose benefits are going away. >> absolutely. the biggest -- the most dangerous thing, the fiscal cliff is the unemployment insurance. if we go over...
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makes the deficit worse. the real test will been when they can do their jobs and make the hard choices and confront very dangerous debt levels that we currently have in this country that are part of the reason the economy is not growing. it's those hard choices that will be the real test of bipartisanship and the ability to govern. host: let's share with you yesterday how things unfolded. senator john thune spoke with reporters midday yesterday on capitol hill. [video clip] >> those conversations and discussions continue. we remain hopeful that will get a breakthrough. what happened between the two leaders in the senate had broken down, because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counteroffer to the proposal republicans made last night. host: a late word from "politico" from republican leader mitch mcconnell. let me read to you a story that he and the vice president engaged in "serious overnight negotiations to avert the fiscal cliff, making major progress to a year-end tax deal, giving seven h
makes the deficit worse. the real test will been when they can do their jobs and make the hard choices and confront very dangerous debt levels that we currently have in this country that are part of the reason the economy is not growing. it's those hard choices that will be the real test of bipartisanship and the ability to govern. host: let's share with you yesterday how things unfolded. senator john thune spoke with reporters midday yesterday on capitol hill. [video clip] >> those...
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we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we still have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth. how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody is talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into effect. and keep in mind that some of these spending cuts that congress has said will automatically go into effect have an impact on our defense department, but they also have an impact on things like head start. so there are some programs scheduled to be cut that we're using an ax instead of a scalpel. may not always be the smartest cuts. and so that is a piece of business that still has to be taken care of. and i want to make clear that any agreement we have to deal with these automatic spending cuts that are being threatened for next month, those a
we still have deficits that have to be dealt with. we still have to think about how we put our economy on a long-term trajectory of growth. how we continue to make investments in things like education, things like infrastructure that help our economy grow. keep in mind that the threat of tax hikes going up is only one part of this so-called fiscal cliff that everybody is talking about. what we also have facing us starting tomorrow are automatic spending cuts that are scheduled to go into...
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. >> reporter: republicans introduced but quickly withdrew a proposal to cut the deficit by slowing social security. >> there is a lot of give and take going on right now but republicans don't want to see tax increases used for new spending. >> reporter: vice president joe biden was called on to help with the negotiations, this as the white house places a lot of the blame for the impasse on the gop. >> they say their biggest prior is making sure we deal with a deficit in a serious way. but the way they are behaving is their only priority is making sure tax breaks for the wealthiest americans are protected. >> reporter: if a deal isn't reached the president wants to introduce legislation to keep tax cuts for couples earning up to $250,000 a year and to keep unemployment benefits. randall pinkston, cbs news, washington. >> if you want the latest information on the fiscal cliff, you go to our home page just click the fiscal cliff banner at the top of the page. >>> dc police are investigating two fatal shootings in southeast over the weekend. early yesterday morning officers found a man uncons
. >> reporter: republicans introduced but quickly withdrew a proposal to cut the deficit by slowing social security. >> there is a lot of give and take going on right now but republicans don't want to see tax increases used for new spending. >> reporter: vice president joe biden was called on to help with the negotiations, this as the white house places a lot of the blame for the impasse on the gop. >> they say their biggest prior is making sure we deal with a deficit in...
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it will increase the size of the deficit. if you are looking for ways to fix the problem, we have the biggest place to go in terms of cuts. ashley: thank you so much. thank you for joining us. shibani: the city of chicago is number one and parking costs. giving chicago the most expensive parking meters in the country. downtown residents can look forward, starting tomorrow, to paying $6.50 for parking in 2013. up from the current rate of $5.75. back in 2008, former mayor richard daley agreed to release the parking meters to a private company. the city in turn received a billion dollars as part of the agreement. current mayor is investigating the deal, but, in the meantime, all meters will be set to the new rate to the end of february. get your quarters out. bring your dollar bills, i guess. ashley: take the bus. shibani: the midnight deadline is fast approaching. will there be a framework to avoid the fiscal cliff? ashley: up to the minute coverage from washington. guess what, republicans should just walk away now. oh, boy. â™
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we need to reduce our deficit. and so it's important to ask folks at the very top to go back to paying their clinton-era rates on the amount of income above $ 250,000. and tom was right about that. >> i'm not trying to get him into trouble. i don't see it that way. you couldn't get me in any more trouble. but seriously, republicans need to step back here, take a breath and say, look, we couldn't make the bush tax cuts permanent for anybody, when bush was press we had both houses. we're on the verge of getting at least 80%, maybe more, for at least 98% of the american people. that's a huge win. and once that revenue is off the table it's going to be very hard for democrats to ever put it back on the table. it actually forces them towards spending and entitlement reform in places they're historically uncomfortable. >> chris would you be more comfortable if we went back to those rates to consider a simpson-bowles overall tax reform? is that just gone? you know, the rate there was 28%. once you get back to 39% isn't it
we need to reduce our deficit. and so it's important to ask folks at the very top to go back to paying their clinton-era rates on the amount of income above $ 250,000. and tom was right about that. >> i'm not trying to get him into trouble. i don't see it that way. you couldn't get me in any more trouble. but seriously, republicans need to step back here, take a breath and say, look, we couldn't make the bush tax cuts permanent for anybody, when bush was press we had both houses. we're on...
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the republicans want to use it to reduce the deficit. the democrats want to ease spending cuts for another year or so. gregg? gregg: wendell goler, thank you very much, live at the white house. we switch to the other end of the avenue and there is house speaker john boehner just arriving and, let's listen. >> [inaudible]. gregg: wow, we got a ephappy new year out of eric cantor. maybe i couldn't hear and maybe the speaker said something. we couldn't make it out. we'll try to find out from mike emanuel there at the capitol. heather: very big place. very tall ceiling. gregg: very cavernous. the audio is awful. heather: cavernous, that is good word for it. let's look how much money the fiscal cliff tax hikes could cost your family. this is it. if your annual income between 20 and $30,000 your tax bill could go up $1200 next year. that jumps to more than 1700 for those making 40 and 50,000. the fiscal cliff will cost those making 75 and 100 grand more than $3500. and while those making between 200 and 500,000 will be paying about $14,000 mor
the republicans want to use it to reduce the deficit. the democrats want to ease spending cuts for another year or so. gregg? gregg: wendell goler, thank you very much, live at the white house. we switch to the other end of the avenue and there is house speaker john boehner just arriving and, let's listen. >> [inaudible]. gregg: wow, we got a ephappy new year out of eric cantor. maybe i couldn't hear and maybe the speaker said something. we couldn't make it out. we'll try to find out from...
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than you want you want to raise some you want to reduce the deficit by eight hundred billion dollars that seems like a pretty good deal by raising it to four hundred four fifty you're getting less than half that now writing about three hundred eighty so you're going to take more of that money has it spend exactly so yeah the president might be making a compromise between two fifty or a million but he setting himself up to get screwed down the road when when you have the debt limit and you have spending you know probations bills coming that are expiring republicans are going to be like hey we only got three eighty we're going to have their good four hundred then i'm not living by any means a slave to polls a lot of times i think they're a little ridiculous but you have seen the polls i mean ten percent approval rating for congress and we've seen that if in fact as it looks like it's going to happen we go over the fiscal cliff most people in this country are going to blame republicans are going to blame republicans for trying to protect the wealthy in this country they're not there has
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republicans would like to see more deficit reduction. so, they're saying if there are new taxes, spend it down on the deficit, don't use it for spending. chris? >> now, kelly, one other quick question. you've been up there probably for the last 96 hours, maybe more straight. what's the mood? i know we've got this report that mcconnell and joe biden worked late into the evening and that there seems to be a little bit more positivity than maybe when people like me went to bed last night, a little early. so, is the mood moving in the direction of a deal? is that what -- because it seemed like pessimism sort of toward the late afternoon yesterday. where are we right now, quickly? >> reporter: it does fluctuate. there is exasperation and frustration, especially from members here waiting to vote on something but have nothing to look at. they are wanting to see something done. the people closest to it tell us they are still working at it, that they see there isn't one particular issue that would make this all fall apart, but they're not there y
republicans would like to see more deficit reduction. so, they're saying if there are new taxes, spend it down on the deficit, don't use it for spending. chris? >> now, kelly, one other quick question. you've been up there probably for the last 96 hours, maybe more straight. what's the mood? i know we've got this report that mcconnell and joe biden worked late into the evening and that there seems to be a little bit more positivity than maybe when people like me went to bed last night, a...
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that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. that doesn't just deal with the taxes but the spending in a balanced way to put it behind us and just focusing on growing our economy. but with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. we're going to solve this problem instead in several steps. >> but you know, molly, it was a friendly room. he had -- i don't want to say props but middle class folks behind him. is that an indication of how things are going and he's more privy to what's going on behind the scenes than we are and has confidence that things are getting done and maybe the tone reflected that. >> that certainly seemed to be the case. i think it is the case. we are hearing agreement is reached on the tax rates and still things to negotiate and all going to be issues, the tax rates were the biggest sticking point, they were what the house couldn't get through before and obama and boehner couldn't agree on. if that's now decided and they're talking about a
that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. that doesn't just deal with the taxes but the spending in a balanced way to put it behind us and just focusing on growing our economy. but with this congress, that was obviously a little too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. we're going to solve this problem instead in several steps. >> but you know, molly, it was a friendly room. he had -- i don't want to say props but middle class folks...
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let's make sure sure we put it and the deficit. you better hope that democrats and republicans say we are not going to borrow any more money. that means adjusting the age or medicare. means testing for medicare and social security and cpi adjustments for the rate of inflation. that's what i want to raise the debt ceiling. in august 2nd of this past year 2011 we borrowed $2.1 trillion the last time we raised the debt ceiling and we've gone through that money in 17 months. we are burning money up here and it has to stop. uma: some folks are saying, why not just go over the cliff and let the country deal with it as the chips fall on that one, because some believe it's the only way to force president obama and the senate democrats to agree on fundamental tax reform. what do you think about that? >> we will get fundamental tax reform i believe as a part of the debt ceiling debate. going over the cliff means that our economy goes in the tank. we've got a very small recovery going on here. it would destroy the recovery, and jon's son is a
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reporter: republicans say to be fair, the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of the second term? >> what i've said is i am prepared to do everything i can to make sure that medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but for future generations. >> reporter: the president said despite the current gridlock, he remains optimistic but also asserted democracy is messy. >> one way or another, we'll get through this. do i wish that things were more orderly in washington and rat n rational and people listened to the best arguments and compromised and operated in more thoughtful and organized fashion? absolutely. but when you look at history, that's -- that's been the exception rather than the norm. >> that was nbc's kristin welker reporting there. >>> now for a look at your new year's eve weather, here's nbc meteorologist bill karins. good morning you to. is it too early to say happy new year's? >> no. why not? >> happy new year's eve. happy new year's eve. >> let's go there. this is it. cold a
reporter: republicans say to be fair, the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of the second term? >> what i've said is i am prepared to do everything i can to make sure that medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but for future generations. >> reporter: the president said despite the current gridlock, he remains optimistic but also asserted democracy is messy. >>...
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> reporter: republicans say to be fair the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of the second term? >> what i said is i'm prepared to do everything i can to make sure medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but for future generations. >> reporter: the president said despite the current gridlock he remains optimistic but asserted democracy is messi. >> one way or another we'll get through this. do i wish that things were more orderly in washington? and ration enamel? and people listened to the best arguments and compromised and operate in a more thoughtful and organized fashion? absolutely. when you look at history that's the exception rather than the norm. >> now here is your "first look" at politics. long lines in florida discouraged 49,000 people in voting. on "meet the press" tom brokaw says there's a simple explanation for what's wrong with our election and lawmakers sent to washington. >> the system is rigged. 75% of the congressmen come from gerry mandered districts in which they
> reporter: republicans say to be fair the president must focus on entitlement reform to reduce the deficit. >> are you prepared to do that in your first year of the second term? >> what i said is i'm prepared to do everything i can to make sure medicare and social security are there not just for this generation but for future generations. >> reporter: the president said despite the current gridlock he remains optimistic but asserted democracy is messi. >> one way or...
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at the moment we will have a fairly modest amount of deficit reduction. maybe even none at all. mixed with a fairly bad economic impact from the fiscal cliff. kicking some of the sequester down the road would be a good idea but it's the same disagreements keeping us from doing that that has kept us from getting a bigger deal. >> where we are right now and what we know about this, sam, is it clear whether one side gave more than the other? >> you know, it's just the first chapter of a several-chapter book here because now we're going to have to deal with the debt ceiling fight and republicans have been calculating that they want to extract some concessions from the white house on that. that can't be considered separate from what we're talking about today. of course, we have to do the sequestration and what will happen with those cuts. so it's too early to tell who wins, who loses. i'll add to ezra, the big losers i guess are us, and me in particular standing out here in the cold on new year's eve over a manufactured crisis. >> there are a lot of us who did not expect to be here a
at the moment we will have a fairly modest amount of deficit reduction. maybe even none at all. mixed with a fairly bad economic impact from the fiscal cliff. kicking some of the sequester down the road would be a good idea but it's the same disagreements keeping us from doing that that has kept us from getting a bigger deal. >> where we are right now and what we know about this, sam, is it clear whether one side gave more than the other? >> you know, it's just the first chapter of...
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this time bomb that the congress created was designed to deal with deficit and the debt. we won't get that right now. but we might get a plan to deal with taxes, to avoid the fiscal cliff, that's a win for the economy and the american people. >> john, it is joe johns in washington, d.c. we have heard so much about tax increases and how they're going to handle those and not so much about the spending cuts and my question to you is at the end of the day, are we going to end up essentially with some type of a plan that could add to the federal deficit instead of reduce it? >> you noticed that, huh? sequester hasn't really been the topic of much conversation. look, that is still unclear right now. obviously, again, the point of all of this, the reason that over 500 days ago we set the fiscal cliff with regard to the spending cuts and knew the bush tax cuts were expiring ten years ago on this date, that was an impetus to create bargain to deal with deficit and debt. what seems to be coming together now is largely, as you said, a planned focused on taxes. not just the tough tax
this time bomb that the congress created was designed to deal with deficit and the debt. we won't get that right now. but we might get a plan to deal with taxes, to avoid the fiscal cliff, that's a win for the economy and the american people. >> john, it is joe johns in washington, d.c. we have heard so much about tax increases and how they're going to handle those and not so much about the spending cuts and my question to you is at the end of the day, are we going to end up essentially...
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we will have to do more to reduce our debt and deficit. i'm willing to do more but it will have to be balanced. >>reporter: liberal democrats have complaints. members of both parties warn as bad as going over the fiscal cliff could be it is better than a deal that looks in what each sees as problems for years. >>trace: the president admits there is still work to be done. >>reporter: still questions of how to pay the extra money medicare doctors have been given and how to keep the alternative minimum tax from burning millions of new taxpayers. in addition to the spending cuts put off until 2013. it is not a done deal. >> there are still issues left to resolve. we are hopeful congress can get it done. it is not done. part of the reason i wanted to speak to you today is to make sure we emphasize to conditioning and that members understand this is a pressing concern across america. >>reporter: the deal would not satisfy the conditions congress made for avoid the fiscal cliff and the president will not go to hawaii to avoid the fiscal cliff and
we will have to do more to reduce our debt and deficit. i'm willing to do more but it will have to be balanced. >>reporter: liberal democrats have complaints. members of both parties warn as bad as going over the fiscal cliff could be it is better than a deal that looks in what each sees as problems for years. >>trace: the president admits there is still work to be done. >>reporter: still questions of how to pay the extra money medicare doctors have been given and how to keep...
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it's deficits that got us into this problem. it's only reducing deficits that get us out of this problem. >> senator, just to be clear, this reporting the democrats have offered, $450,000, your best information is that that has been accepted? >> no, that's not my best information, but it's my best belief that they've reached an agreement on revenues. what that level is, i don't know, but the question now is where those revenues go. if they go to new spending, we're going to have a problem making a deal because spending has been our problem. but if they go towards deficit reduction, which ultimately will be debt relief, that will be a good thing, and we probably will have a deal. >> senator, let's talk about the process very quickly. we are told the senate will come back into session at 11:00 this morning. that somehow reflects on the fact that seems to be a late start to the working day, but there's work being done right now. tell me what that work is. >> you know, any time you're putting a deal together, it's always the details
it's deficits that got us into this problem. it's only reducing deficits that get us out of this problem. >> senator, just to be clear, this reporting the democrats have offered, $450,000, your best information is that that has been accepted? >> no, that's not my best information, but it's my best belief that they've reached an agreement on revenues. what that level is, i don't know, but the question now is where those revenues go. if they go to new spending, we're going to have a...
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that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. with this congress, that was obviously a little bit too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. >> there are a number of issues on which the two sides are still apart but negotiations are continuing as i speak. but we really are running out of time. >> the vice president and i have worked together on solutions before and i believe we can again. >> no holiday for the best political team around. a triple threat, luke russert and mike viqueira on the capitol hill and kristen welker from the white house. are you happy to be working on the holiday? >> it's fantastic. >> absolutely. >> sounded believable. viq, let's start with you. we have news trickling out today. working, trying to make a deal. what's going on? >> it's washington, d.c. nothing is as it appears. we6 classic kabuki theater going on here, toree. the president, jovial, said they were close to a deal. that joe biden, the negotiations with mitch mcconnell essentially borne fruit. republicans annoyed wit
that solves our deficit problems in a balanced and responsible way. with this congress, that was obviously a little bit too much to hope for at this time. it may be we can do it in stages. >> there are a number of issues on which the two sides are still apart but negotiations are continuing as i speak. but we really are running out of time. >> the vice president and i have worked together on solutions before and i believe we can again. >> no holiday for the best political team...
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deficit and debt problem that actually things would be ok, not as abad adds we think. many of the issues don't kick in on january 1, they kick in later in the year, maybe as late as july or august, so politicians actually have time to sort out some of the key issues. nonetheless, the politicians, in particular president obama and i think the key leaders of the democratic party and the republican party here of the congress, they really don't want to be the ones sitting in the top offices when washington couldn't stop the ut from going through what could be a very, very potentially serious budget crisis. >> all right. keeping an eye on those important negotiations for us in the senate. thanks so much. >>> 21 policeman have been found dead in northwest pakistan after being kidnapped by the taliban last week. one man managed to escape arks --, and audio is fighting for his life in hospital. >> fighting for his life in a peshawar hospital, one of two survivors of an attack in the tribal region. 21 of his colleagues were captured at this check point and two others like it la
deficit and debt problem that actually things would be ok, not as abad adds we think. many of the issues don't kick in on january 1, they kick in later in the year, maybe as late as july or august, so politicians actually have time to sort out some of the key issues. nonetheless, the politicians, in particular president obama and i think the key leaders of the democratic party and the republican party here of the congress, they really don't want to be the ones sitting in the top offices when...
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. >> now if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone, if they think that's gos to be the formula for how we solve this thing, then they've got another thing coming. that's not how it going to work. >> reporter: for his part senator mcconnell said that issue should not tan in the way of a tax deal. >> let's be clear we'll continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending. but let's not let that hold up protecting americans from the tax hike that will take place in about ten hours. >> reporter: but other senate republicans brideeled at doing any deal now without substantial spending reductions. >> i just want to say i'm very disappointed with what the president had to say. i'm one senator. i just want to go on record that is it's absolutely unacceptable to pay for this sequester with revenue. >> reporter: meantime there was growing grumbling in senate democratic ranks that vice president biden had given too much ground. >> as i see this thing developing quite frankly as i've said before no deal is better than a bad deal. and this l
. >> now if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone, if they think that's gos to be the formula for how we solve this thing, then they've got another thing coming. that's not how it going to work. >> reporter: for his part senator mcconnell said that issue should not tan in the way of a tax deal. >> let's be clear we'll continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending. but let's not let that hold up protecting...
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the budget of the president, $5.3 trillion deficit. people understand that. they know about his war on fossil fuels. here we are in a position of having the most recoverable fossil fuels reserves of any country in the world. we could be totally independent in a matter of weeks, and he won't let us develop our own resources. those are three things what he is doing to the military and all of that, that people are aware of. they are not aware of the cost of the regulations that he has. now, i would just use three of the regulations he was putting off until after the election. one having to do with the boiler mac. it was the regulations on boilers. every manufacturer has a boiler. that would be $63 billion cost in taxes and 800,000 jobs. coal the same way. he actually did away with coal by having an emissions requirement where there is no technology that will reach it. that will be 1.65 million. the reason i mention these, i could be talking about a lot of different regulations. but if you add up these three regulations, that would be $100
the budget of the president, $5.3 trillion deficit. people understand that. they know about his war on fossil fuels. here we are in a position of having the most recoverable fossil fuels reserves of any country in the world. we could be totally independent in a matter of weeks, and he won't let us develop our own resources. those are three things what he is doing to the military and all of that, that people are aware of. they are not aware of the cost of the regulations that he has. now, i...
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. >> now if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone, if they think that's gos to be the formula for how we solve this thing, then they've got another thing coming. that's not how it going to work. >> reporter: for his part senator mcconnell said that issue should not tan in the way of a tax deal. >> let's be clear, we'll continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending. but let's not let that hold up protecting americans from the tax hike that will take place in about ten hours. >> reporter: but other senate republicans brideeled at doing any deal now without substantial spending reductions. >> i just want to say i'm very disappointed with what the president had to say. i'm one senator. i just want to go on record, that is it's absolutely unacceptable to pay for this sequester with revenue. >> reporter: meantime there was growing grumbling in senate democratic ranks that vice president biden had given too much ground. >> as i see this thing developing, quite frankly, as i've said before, no deal is better than a bad deal. and t
. >> now if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone, if they think that's gos to be the formula for how we solve this thing, then they've got another thing coming. that's not how it going to work. >> reporter: for his part senator mcconnell said that issue should not tan in the way of a tax deal. >> let's be clear, we'll continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending. but let's not let that hold up protecting...
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. >> if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone, and you hear that sometimes coming from them, sort of after today we're just going to try to shove only spending cuts down -- well, shove spending -- [ laughter ] shove spending cuts at us. if they think that's the formula for how we're going to solve this thing, then they've got another thing coming. >> i wanted to bring in democratic congressman john larson of connecticut with us from capitol hill. thanks for coming in. >> happy to be here. >> i want to talk spending in a moment but, first, what's your reaction to the parameters of a tax deal, a hike on incomes more than $400,000 for individuals, $450,000 for couples. your tlauts houghts on what we o far. >> we really don't know that much. we haven't seen anything in the house of representatives. i just heard luke russert say, you know, the ink isn't dry on any agreement yet. so while we're hopeful that there is an agreement that can be reached and have been prodding our colleagues to do so, things could implode rather easily, as w
. >> if republicans think that i will finish the job of deficit reduction through spending cuts alone, and you hear that sometimes coming from them, sort of after today we're just going to try to shove only spending cuts down -- well, shove spending -- [ laughter ] shove spending cuts at us. if they think that's the formula for how we're going to solve this thing, then they've got another thing coming. >> i wanted to bring in democratic congressman john larson of connecticut with us...
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smash some deficits, smash some deficits, smash some deficits, smash some deficits. >> that was gallagher, too? >> that was gallagher. one of our more memorable moments with rick santelli, who can do incredible things with a very large mal let. rick, good morning. happy ne year to you. we're going to do smashing here if things don't happen in the next few hours. >> they are. as a matter of fact -- hold on. got to get some props that you can't see. you know, i think it's almost time for us to do a big whoopee, because maybe we are close to a deal. but after listening to that spot, i think i'm going to modify whoopee to maybe whoop-pea. because i think we went from smashing pumpkins to potentially smashing a pea. and maybe even the pea is going to be a little bit too big. so we went from gallagher -- there we go. there's our debt smashing for the end of the year. okay? it's basically a pea. and maybe we don't even get that. because most likely, what we are dealing with here, unlike with gallagher and the watermelons and big hammer, is pretty much about a tax deal. okay? we've done all of th
smash some deficits, smash some deficits, smash some deficits, smash some deficits. >> that was gallagher, too? >> that was gallagher. one of our more memorable moments with rick santelli, who can do incredible things with a very large mal let. rick, good morning. happy ne year to you. we're going to do smashing here if things don't happen in the next few hours. >> they are. as a matter of fact -- hold on. got to get some props that you can't see. you know, i think it's almost...
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it's about slowing spending and deficit reduction. >> make no mistake. there will be real damage. we'll be squeezing people who deserve better. we'll scramble to find budget reductions in a way that sense. sometime in hours, days, weeks ahead. we will get a semi-balanced small agreement. mr. speaker, we don't have a trillion dollar debt because we haven't taxed enough. we have a trillion dollar debt because we spend too much. that was ronald reagan in 198 # 2. president reagan led america out of recession. history has a way of repeating itself. somehow washington never gets the message. >> president obama said he would push for a bill that would actually -- what it would do is include a renewal of the unemployment extension of the bush tax cuts for middle class americans who make less than $250,000 a year. some of us will be watching the ball drop in times square. we may hear the gauntlet drop on capitol hill. live in the newsroom. back to you. >> thank you, derek. >> we are also counting down to 2013. hundreds of thousands of people will bring in the new year in times square. org
it's about slowing spending and deficit reduction. >> make no mistake. there will be real damage. we'll be squeezing people who deserve better. we'll scramble to find budget reductions in a way that sense. sometime in hours, days, weeks ahead. we will get a semi-balanced small agreement. mr. speaker, we don't have a trillion dollar debt because we haven't taxed enough. we have a trillion dollar debt because we spend too much. that was ronald reagan in 198 # 2. president reagan led america...
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a $4 billion a day deficit is out of control. there have to be some spending cuts. you have to address the spending side of this column. you have to address entitlements. what the president wants to do is look at the taxes, generate enough revenue and forget about the rest of it. i do not excel. the american people have had their fill of this. they are demanding we address the spending side. you have to look at tax reform. it actually makes the problem worse. why would i kick the can down the road and why would i keep all of this that all my children and grandchildren so that their future is capped and traded to the people that own our debt? i think that is your responsibility. rich: eventually, the house will have to get involved in this one if there is a deal. dagen: and there are a number of issues where the two sides are far apart. keep in mind, the mmst important role is to avoid the tax increases. still some issues before we bring legislation to the floor. thank you so much for that, rich. we are waiting for some answers to the debacle down and d.c. i look at
a $4 billion a day deficit is out of control. there have to be some spending cuts. you have to address the spending side of this column. you have to address entitlements. what the president wants to do is look at the taxes, generate enough revenue and forget about the rest of it. i do not excel. the american people have had their fill of this. they are demanding we address the spending side. you have to look at tax reform. it actually makes the problem worse. why would i kick the can down the...